Saralayar
01-08 01:08 AM
I am surprised to see this thread active this long. Earlier I have with help of Saralayar and other members have bring this point to attention. But at that time no one was supporting Idea.
I see increasing support for the Idea as GC journey become longer and longer.
Earlier I have pointed following points that I want to bring to remind if we want to get real support for this idea of early CITIZENSHIP AFTER GREEN CARD
(1) I-140 and I-485 must be approved.
(@) Time should be considered only after getting GC
(3) For getting closer for political support our proposal should be close to Existing laws for FAMILY BASED and MARRIAGE BASED CITIZENSHIPS
So we should argur that if YOU HAVE MASTER AND ABOVE IN STEM FILEDS YOu can get CITIZEN SHIP 5 yrs from date of Approval of I-140 ( which make it closer to fmaily based) and THREE YEARS from Date of Approval of I-485 (closer to marriage based citizens). You can get earlier of two . But when you get Citizenship your I-485 must be approved for ATLEAST 1 year.
The above requirements can get closer to Marriage and family based and also help 90% of IV members.
Adding the clause for the EDUCATIONAL THING might be able to get more political support also
Thanks
Core IV can consolidate the valueable points like this for the argument.
I see increasing support for the Idea as GC journey become longer and longer.
Earlier I have pointed following points that I want to bring to remind if we want to get real support for this idea of early CITIZENSHIP AFTER GREEN CARD
(1) I-140 and I-485 must be approved.
(@) Time should be considered only after getting GC
(3) For getting closer for political support our proposal should be close to Existing laws for FAMILY BASED and MARRIAGE BASED CITIZENSHIPS
So we should argur that if YOU HAVE MASTER AND ABOVE IN STEM FILEDS YOu can get CITIZEN SHIP 5 yrs from date of Approval of I-140 ( which make it closer to fmaily based) and THREE YEARS from Date of Approval of I-485 (closer to marriage based citizens). You can get earlier of two . But when you get Citizenship your I-485 must be approved for ATLEAST 1 year.
The above requirements can get closer to Marriage and family based and also help 90% of IV members.
Adding the clause for the EDUCATIONAL THING might be able to get more political support also
Thanks
Core IV can consolidate the valueable points like this for the argument.
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bigboy007
05-11 12:01 AM
Hunter's Internet knowledge is awesome and hilarious .. May be this is how he does his coding if hez an IT guy... :D I dont think we all should get to his level to argue... Argument should be made with equally knowledgeable ppl.
His "Distortion" of facts will not change the current scenario.. nor his Internet Knowledge will land him an OSCAR award.. Let him live in his fantasy life.. No doubt Hunter is from a "Great" culture... Unfortunately he doesnt know the meaning of that...
Are you sure you are not confusing with Indian epics that discuss how Lord Brahma had sex with his own daughter? :D :D
Unfortunately, you are showing your culture here with responses like this by clearly proving that you are incapable of provding a proper response. You are not making any case here, actually you are undermining it. This clearly shows the contempt that you have for the people of the country where you are desparately trying to immigrate to.
If things were so rosy in India compared to US, you wouldn't be posting in this forum, will you?
As a matter of fact, people like you, irrespective of the qualifications, should never be allowed to immigrate to anywhere. You should remain in India or should I say "arsha-bharatha"?
His "Distortion" of facts will not change the current scenario.. nor his Internet Knowledge will land him an OSCAR award.. Let him live in his fantasy life.. No doubt Hunter is from a "Great" culture... Unfortunately he doesnt know the meaning of that...
Are you sure you are not confusing with Indian epics that discuss how Lord Brahma had sex with his own daughter? :D :D
Unfortunately, you are showing your culture here with responses like this by clearly proving that you are incapable of provding a proper response. You are not making any case here, actually you are undermining it. This clearly shows the contempt that you have for the people of the country where you are desparately trying to immigrate to.
If things were so rosy in India compared to US, you wouldn't be posting in this forum, will you?
As a matter of fact, people like you, irrespective of the qualifications, should never be allowed to immigrate to anywhere. You should remain in India or should I say "arsha-bharatha"?
man-woman-and-gc
01-14 05:24 PM
I am really surprised by the meek response...what is wrong with everyone?? We have just abt 54 letters so far and almost 200 members online right now !!!
If you are reading this but have not written a letter yet, please answer one question for me:
What is the least effort that you can put towards your immigration?
If you cannot write or type a letter, i'm afraid you don't belong to the "Hard working, highly skilled" immigrants that is being referred to in the letter.
Please send me a Private message with your name and deatils and I can write up and post a letter for you....its is actually going to be for me as I am benefitting from this campaign...i don't mind if you get the benefits in the process.
I have the capacity for 3 hand written letters per day...and I am dead serious. We need numbers and a meagre 100 letters are going to get lost amongst thousands of letters that are received at Whitehouse everyday.
If you are reading this but have not written a letter yet, please answer one question for me:
What is the least effort that you can put towards your immigration?
If you cannot write or type a letter, i'm afraid you don't belong to the "Hard working, highly skilled" immigrants that is being referred to in the letter.
Please send me a Private message with your name and deatils and I can write up and post a letter for you....its is actually going to be for me as I am benefitting from this campaign...i don't mind if you get the benefits in the process.
I have the capacity for 3 hand written letters per day...and I am dead serious. We need numbers and a meagre 100 letters are going to get lost amongst thousands of letters that are received at Whitehouse everyday.
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gvenkat
09-24 11:13 AM
EB3 india gets only 2803 per year with350 of those going to OW. How did you arrive at the figure.
based on the other person's analysis. if 2803 is what Eb-3 gets then we are fcuked. :p
based on the other person's analysis. if 2803 is what Eb-3 gets then we are fcuked. :p
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simple1
06-16 03:34 PM
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Who actually controls the work? The client.
Regardless of Fixed bid scenarios. The work is actually controlled by the client. You may be responsible for a part of the work.
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I am talking about projects here. The project-sponsor is the client. They control the work.
Not about product implementations for the products that were developed internally inside the visa-sponser's company.
Repeating your quote here
L-1B temporary workers can no longer work primarily at a worksite other than their petitioning employer if the work will be controlled and supervised by a different employer
I have put color coding for better understanding. Please read it again.
This is what I wrote
I hope this clears your confusion.
Who actually controls the work? The client.
Regardless of Fixed bid scenarios. The work is actually controlled by the client. You may be responsible for a part of the work.
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I am talking about projects here. The project-sponsor is the client. They control the work.
Not about product implementations for the products that were developed internally inside the visa-sponser's company.
Repeating your quote here
L-1B temporary workers can no longer work primarily at a worksite other than their petitioning employer if the work will be controlled and supervised by a different employer
I have put color coding for better understanding. Please read it again.
This is what I wrote
I hope this clears your confusion.
sampath
04-17 06:09 PM
That closes the chapter on it.
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07-12 11:45 AM
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simple1
06-14 02:54 PM
One of my friend (H1b) got into a job ( after passing labor market test - LCA - that no USC/GC could be found). in fortune 500 as direct employee after the job was vacant for more than a year.
However the same job was sent offshore after 8 months his tenure in that job. He was ok as he retained shares, signon bonus and severance.
All we see here is Indians competing against Indians in one form or other.
This is not affecting USC/GC.
How many times in this thread I have mentioned that I am getting replaced by one of these L-1B resource, I am a poor Oracle/DB developer who fortunately cannot be replaced by L-1B visa resources (as my skills is a common technical one). So once these violations impact your day to day life you look around for ways to stop this fraud. Its true that if I was a Nuero Surgeon in Phily or a Astro Scientist in Houston I wouldn't be interested in this violation :-) .... tomorrow let this scenario happen to you ... you would be first one to raise the alert.
Regarding 'getting burnt', I don't think there is bigger burn than loosing our jobs (which already is happening) and hope you know that there is something called 'anonymity'... ya lets see whos going to get 'burnt' here. We'll definetly keep you updated regarding the outcome.
However the same job was sent offshore after 8 months his tenure in that job. He was ok as he retained shares, signon bonus and severance.
All we see here is Indians competing against Indians in one form or other.
This is not affecting USC/GC.
How many times in this thread I have mentioned that I am getting replaced by one of these L-1B resource, I am a poor Oracle/DB developer who fortunately cannot be replaced by L-1B visa resources (as my skills is a common technical one). So once these violations impact your day to day life you look around for ways to stop this fraud. Its true that if I was a Nuero Surgeon in Phily or a Astro Scientist in Houston I wouldn't be interested in this violation :-) .... tomorrow let this scenario happen to you ... you would be first one to raise the alert.
Regarding 'getting burnt', I don't think there is bigger burn than loosing our jobs (which already is happening) and hope you know that there is something called 'anonymity'... ya lets see whos going to get 'burnt' here. We'll definetly keep you updated regarding the outcome.
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eb3retro
10-13 04:00 PM
have not been following this thread so deep. Looks like if someone introduces the other person to vonage service, does both of them get 2 months free? if yes, could someone refer me. pls me me. thanks.
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kowligi
01-24 01:16 PM
I have attended the Interview for H1 B renewal at the US consulate in Toronto (Although i see a lot of posts concerning US consulates in India....thought this might be helpful for someone who would attend an interviewat US consulate in Toronto)
I attended the Interview on Jan 16th at toronto for H1 B renewal and i got my passport back on Jan 23rd (4 business days as the officer told me as jan 21st is a holiday...martin Luther king day)
I have been speaking to some people at the consulate and for them it is taking 5-8 business days and for some they got it in 4 business days.....the worst i have seen is for a lady who was coming to the consulate from past 3 weeks everyday and there is no ETA on her status..(i hope she gets her passport soon:) )...
Unfortunately most of the people who attended there did not know of these delays and are struck cancelling and re-booking their flight tickets and extending their hotel stay
I attended the Interview on Jan 16th at toronto for H1 B renewal and i got my passport back on Jan 23rd (4 business days as the officer told me as jan 21st is a holiday...martin Luther king day)
I have been speaking to some people at the consulate and for them it is taking 5-8 business days and for some they got it in 4 business days.....the worst i have seen is for a lady who was coming to the consulate from past 3 weeks everyday and there is no ETA on her status..(i hope she gets her passport soon:) )...
Unfortunately most of the people who attended there did not know of these delays and are struck cancelling and re-booking their flight tickets and extending their hotel stay
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franklin
06-21 10:26 PM
We are running a small funding drive as a gesture of support IV for answering each other's questions in times of need.
If your question is answered by a fellow member, do make a point to contribute some amount. It will help continue this effort.
We understand everyone is busy with I485 filing and have put everything on hold. But we have not put our efforts on hold in the interest of this communty and this cause. Core is working on this issue despite being busy on their own I485 filing.
We are also working with our lobbyists on CIR and as soon as there is an action item we will post it on the forum for all to participate.
At this time, do take out a couple of minutes off your busy schedule with I485 filing and contribute towards Immigrationvoice.
Thanks
Please contribute
If your question is answered by a fellow member, do make a point to contribute some amount. It will help continue this effort.
We understand everyone is busy with I485 filing and have put everything on hold. But we have not put our efforts on hold in the interest of this communty and this cause. Core is working on this issue despite being busy on their own I485 filing.
We are also working with our lobbyists on CIR and as soon as there is an action item we will post it on the forum for all to participate.
At this time, do take out a couple of minutes off your busy schedule with I485 filing and contribute towards Immigrationvoice.
Thanks
Please contribute
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l1fraud
06-12 06:59 PM
THE OP SEEMS TO BE AN ANTI IMMIGRANT. HE/SHE HAS NOT REVEALED THE IDENTITY AND MAY NOT BE HELPFUL - HE/SHE IS TRYING TO STIR UP SUCH DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME AGENDA WHICH WE DO NOT KNOW.
IF THE OP IS GENUINE AND SERIOUS HE/SHE MUST REVEAL IDENTITY AND HONESTLY WORK WITH THE ORGANIZATION AND UTILIZE THE RESOURCES AND HELP THE GOVT IN WORKING TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE.[/QUOTE]
Hi Chandu,
Why should I reveal my identity?? Even the ICE Investigator with whom I am working has agreed for anonymity, In case you think that I am a american guy with anti-immigrant agenda I challenge you to set up a tele-conference where I can login without revealing my identity and I can prove my intentions, nationality or what ever you want ... (except for my personal details and specific violation details). I am here to fight a violation, please don't blame if you/your organisation would be impacted by this investigation.
Regarding the process for complaining please go to the below link "http://www.ice.gov/about/investigations/contact.htm" and see the main office for your state and call the investigations office and they would provide you the contact no. for your local officer (most of the cities would have local officers, their office would be along with other customs and immigration operations) and you can contact him directly and he would provide you the details for lodging a formal complaint. Please let me know if you need any further information regarding the same.
IF THE OP IS GENUINE AND SERIOUS HE/SHE MUST REVEAL IDENTITY AND HONESTLY WORK WITH THE ORGANIZATION AND UTILIZE THE RESOURCES AND HELP THE GOVT IN WORKING TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE.[/QUOTE]
Hi Chandu,
Why should I reveal my identity?? Even the ICE Investigator with whom I am working has agreed for anonymity, In case you think that I am a american guy with anti-immigrant agenda I challenge you to set up a tele-conference where I can login without revealing my identity and I can prove my intentions, nationality or what ever you want ... (except for my personal details and specific violation details). I am here to fight a violation, please don't blame if you/your organisation would be impacted by this investigation.
Regarding the process for complaining please go to the below link "http://www.ice.gov/about/investigations/contact.htm" and see the main office for your state and call the investigations office and they would provide you the contact no. for your local officer (most of the cities would have local officers, their office would be along with other customs and immigration operations) and you can contact him directly and he would provide you the details for lodging a formal complaint. Please let me know if you need any further information regarding the same.
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vbkris77
06-18 11:57 AM
Your reasoning is weak. If the same Goldman manager wants to screw you - he won't see if it is recession or not - he will screw you - period.
What happens with ICE and goldman is an issue they sort it out. If his budget is tight - he will figure out a way.
As far as jobs are concerned - there is no gaurantee that the best and brightest is always in jobs or those who suck up always have jobs - YOU are responsible on how you choose and carve your career
I agree to all the law abiding people here... But be just a word of caution, it can bite you back.
Now a days we are seeing lot of protentionism not from laws, but from hiring managers. Most companies now taking projects that can give them local resources only (H1B/L1B/GC/EAD/USC etc. but physically prsent). Look at utilization percentage in offshore companies. So if they say, I only require GC/USC and not H1/L1, there is no way you would be able to challenge them. I can deal with things on a level playing ground and I don't have "suck it up" attitude.
This GC/USC alone job ads will be lot safe for them if you guys go on a mass scale. If they can't find a guy, most companies now a days are putting off projects and wait. So your campaign on this scale will not help H1Bs at all.
Don't think you will always get what you see.. This is a web and pulling just one string is not possible.
What happens with ICE and goldman is an issue they sort it out. If his budget is tight - he will figure out a way.
As far as jobs are concerned - there is no gaurantee that the best and brightest is always in jobs or those who suck up always have jobs - YOU are responsible on how you choose and carve your career
I agree to all the law abiding people here... But be just a word of caution, it can bite you back.
Now a days we are seeing lot of protentionism not from laws, but from hiring managers. Most companies now taking projects that can give them local resources only (H1B/L1B/GC/EAD/USC etc. but physically prsent). Look at utilization percentage in offshore companies. So if they say, I only require GC/USC and not H1/L1, there is no way you would be able to challenge them. I can deal with things on a level playing ground and I don't have "suck it up" attitude.
This GC/USC alone job ads will be lot safe for them if you guys go on a mass scale. If they can't find a guy, most companies now a days are putting off projects and wait. So your campaign on this scale will not help H1Bs at all.
Don't think you will always get what you see.. This is a web and pulling just one string is not possible.
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kaisersose
03-26 02:07 PM
This is plain stupidity. These employers should first take a good look at an EAD and a GC. As for as work authorization is concerned, both these cards provide us with the same rights. The EAD says �The person identified is authorized to work in the US for the validity of this card� where as the GC says �The person identified by the card is authorized to work and remain in the US�.
So why does the legal department come into picture here? Is it because of the expiry date associated with EAD�s? If that�s the case even a GC has got an expiration date (a later date maybe). Does that mean that an additional budget is required to hire GC holders?
I was thinking exactly like you until she educated me on this yesterday.
The problem with the EAD is you are invoking AC21. There are several possible problems here including
1. Complying with AC21 requirements of job code, 180 days after 485 RD, etc.
2. Invoking AC21 without 140 approval. This is not against the law, but is risky in case of a 140 RFE.
There are more reasons, but these ought to provide enough clarity on the problem. It is in the employer's interest to ensure that the candidate does not have any such issues; issues which will lead to termination of employment. The Recruiter cannot check DOL job codes and USCIS documents. That is the job of Legal which means $$$.
So if the hiring manager does not have a budget for these extra costs or if he has an equally good candidate who is a GC holder or a citizen, it is easier to go with him or her.
So why does the legal department come into picture here? Is it because of the expiry date associated with EAD�s? If that�s the case even a GC has got an expiration date (a later date maybe). Does that mean that an additional budget is required to hire GC holders?
I was thinking exactly like you until she educated me on this yesterday.
The problem with the EAD is you are invoking AC21. There are several possible problems here including
1. Complying with AC21 requirements of job code, 180 days after 485 RD, etc.
2. Invoking AC21 without 140 approval. This is not against the law, but is risky in case of a 140 RFE.
There are more reasons, but these ought to provide enough clarity on the problem. It is in the employer's interest to ensure that the candidate does not have any such issues; issues which will lead to termination of employment. The Recruiter cannot check DOL job codes and USCIS documents. That is the job of Legal which means $$$.
So if the hiring manager does not have a budget for these extra costs or if he has an equally good candidate who is a GC holder or a citizen, it is easier to go with him or her.
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Caliber
06-17 01:02 PM
IMO, stopping and working against fraud can be a bullet point in IV's portfolio. It could help IV while discussing issues with lawmakers.
My 2 cents.
Dear HSingh82, You are right.. This will give IV great advantage when talking to law makers as we can advocate that we are against ILLEGAL things done by any one.
My 2 cents.
Dear HSingh82, You are right.. This will give IV great advantage when talking to law makers as we can advocate that we are against ILLEGAL things done by any one.
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krish2006
04-04 04:15 PM
I think you meant to say 2800 not 5800. I'm correcting your statement.
So India regular quota for the last six months : 2800/2 = 1400
Since dates have not moved, I am assuming 1400 should also be considered towards porting.
so my conclusion is so far 1200 + 1400 = 2600 porting already took place. (though only 1400 really got GC)
Thanks for the pointing this . Corrected the original post to reflect the same.
(I was thinking of china so 2800 became 5800 :) )
So India regular quota for the last six months : 2800/2 = 1400
Since dates have not moved, I am assuming 1400 should also be considered towards porting.
so my conclusion is so far 1200 + 1400 = 2600 porting already took place. (though only 1400 really got GC)
Thanks for the pointing this . Corrected the original post to reflect the same.
(I was thinking of china so 2800 became 5800 :) )
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Googler
10-22 01:19 PM
http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=81&Itemid=61
Update and reference material on namechecks
Nice job summarizing what we know.
Update and reference material on namechecks
Nice job summarizing what we know.
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DesiGuy
09-11 07:11 AM
3 more co-sponsors added, the total is now 31.:)
Also noticed only 8 Republicans v/s/ 23 Dems.
Although number of republicans so-sponsoring is lower, it's still 25% of the total so there is hope that more will support it when it comes to voting. ;)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5882
Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D-CA]hide cosponsors
Cosponsors [as of 2008-09-10]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI]
Rep. Earl Blumenauer [D-OR]
Rep. Michael Capuano [D-MA]
Rep. John Carter [R-TX]
Rep. Henry Cuellar [D-TX]
Rep. Artur Davis [D-AL]
Rep. Thomas Davis [R-VA]
Rep. Lloyd Doggett [D-TX]
Rep. Anna Eshoo [D-CA]
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords [D-AZ]
Rep. Wayne Gilchrest [R-MD]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ]
Rep. Michael Honda [D-CA]
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee [D-TX]
Rep. Doris Matsui [D-CA]
Rep. Michael McCaul [R-TX]
Rep. James Moran [D-VA]
Rep. Sue Myrick [R-NC]
Rep. Jerrold Nadler [D-NY]
Rep. Grace Napolitano [D-CA]
Rep. Edward Pastor [D-AZ]
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard [D-CA]
Rep. Linda S�nchez [D-CA]
Rep. Loretta Sanchez [D-CA]
Rep. James Sensenbrenner [R-WI]
Rep. Peter Sessions [R-TX]
Rep. John Shadegg [R-AZ]
Rep. Jackie Speier [D-CA]
Rep. Fortney Stark [D-CA]
Rep. Melvin Watt [D-NC]
Rep. David Wu [D-OR]
Also noticed only 8 Republicans v/s/ 23 Dems.
Although number of republicans so-sponsoring is lower, it's still 25% of the total so there is hope that more will support it when it comes to voting. ;)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5882
Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D-CA]hide cosponsors
Cosponsors [as of 2008-09-10]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI]
Rep. Earl Blumenauer [D-OR]
Rep. Michael Capuano [D-MA]
Rep. John Carter [R-TX]
Rep. Henry Cuellar [D-TX]
Rep. Artur Davis [D-AL]
Rep. Thomas Davis [R-VA]
Rep. Lloyd Doggett [D-TX]
Rep. Anna Eshoo [D-CA]
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords [D-AZ]
Rep. Wayne Gilchrest [R-MD]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ]
Rep. Michael Honda [D-CA]
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee [D-TX]
Rep. Doris Matsui [D-CA]
Rep. Michael McCaul [R-TX]
Rep. James Moran [D-VA]
Rep. Sue Myrick [R-NC]
Rep. Jerrold Nadler [D-NY]
Rep. Grace Napolitano [D-CA]
Rep. Edward Pastor [D-AZ]
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard [D-CA]
Rep. Linda S�nchez [D-CA]
Rep. Loretta Sanchez [D-CA]
Rep. James Sensenbrenner [R-WI]
Rep. Peter Sessions [R-TX]
Rep. John Shadegg [R-AZ]
Rep. Jackie Speier [D-CA]
Rep. Fortney Stark [D-CA]
Rep. Melvin Watt [D-NC]
Rep. David Wu [D-OR]
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Hunter
05-11 12:10 AM
Check John Hanity show and they will teach you the fundamentals. If employers don't earn any profits they won't do a business.
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Do you mean Sean Hannity from faux news? If that is the case, I rest my case because you are a bigger JERK than I thought. Anyone listening to Sean Hannity for anything other than entertainment must be a complete idiot. :D :D
BTW, since you are a follower of Hannity, you may want to undergo waterboarding instead of Hannity, as he seems to have chickened out.
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Do you mean Sean Hannity from faux news? If that is the case, I rest my case because you are a bigger JERK than I thought. Anyone listening to Sean Hannity for anything other than entertainment must be a complete idiot. :D :D
BTW, since you are a follower of Hannity, you may want to undergo waterboarding instead of Hannity, as he seems to have chickened out.
gaz
01-09 02:16 PM
pappu,
when talking to my friends about IV I have observed the following:
1) they prefer to "visit" the iv site to get a first hand look at what IV is about
2) they tend to classify IV as a discussion forum rather than a movement - a couple of people have said that they did not notice any difference between IV and the other boards. they bookmark it and come back only when they have a burning question.
3) once i tell them about IV's achievements they do seem interested but most appear to be afraid (or lazy?) in actively joining - either monetarily or otherwise.
4) some people do not even want to post questions actively - instead ask me the question and expect me to post the question/ help them out with a response (not sure why - privacy issues?) - have others seen this also?
I don't know how to convince the lazy ones - but for the others, would it make sense to restructure the site a little bit so that the home page is a little less noisy and has only information about the underlying movement , IV's achievements and then has a link to the the message board (as a feature of IV rather than it defining IV)?
I think we are making a big deal of red and green dots. It is only in recent times that people are complaining so much about misuse. We can get rid of it, but then moderation will be tough. I do not think that is the reason for not participating. We do not have much awareness about IV in the community. When we say half million applications are pending, why are we not getting those on IV?
We need help in raising awareness about this cause in the community. Let us make that as the first action item this new year. All members can take initiatives and help. It does not cost any money and IV is not asking any money. We just need more participation.
when talking to my friends about IV I have observed the following:
1) they prefer to "visit" the iv site to get a first hand look at what IV is about
2) they tend to classify IV as a discussion forum rather than a movement - a couple of people have said that they did not notice any difference between IV and the other boards. they bookmark it and come back only when they have a burning question.
3) once i tell them about IV's achievements they do seem interested but most appear to be afraid (or lazy?) in actively joining - either monetarily or otherwise.
4) some people do not even want to post questions actively - instead ask me the question and expect me to post the question/ help them out with a response (not sure why - privacy issues?) - have others seen this also?
I don't know how to convince the lazy ones - but for the others, would it make sense to restructure the site a little bit so that the home page is a little less noisy and has only information about the underlying movement , IV's achievements and then has a link to the the message board (as a feature of IV rather than it defining IV)?
I think we are making a big deal of red and green dots. It is only in recent times that people are complaining so much about misuse. We can get rid of it, but then moderation will be tough. I do not think that is the reason for not participating. We do not have much awareness about IV in the community. When we say half million applications are pending, why are we not getting those on IV?
We need help in raising awareness about this cause in the community. Let us make that as the first action item this new year. All members can take initiatives and help. It does not cost any money and IV is not asking any money. We just need more participation.
ivar
09-03 11:09 PM
All these (and many more) are Betamax companies. Here is a wiki article about Betamax. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax_(VoIP_company)).
I personally use ActionVOIP (another Betamax company). No real big complaints so far - except for the weird feeling something that they are occasionally stealing minutes from me. It's still cheaper than trio of Teliance/Trueroots/Airtel (as evidenced by my consistently lower spending per month). Even after getting vonage - I intend to keep my account in ActionVOIP with a small amount in it just for emergencies or when away from home.
However, in case you are planning to use any of these Betamax outfits - please keep in mind that Betamax is borderline shady. There are complaints galore about them misusing credit cards and using shady fly-by-night companies to evade responsibilities. So never ever give them your credit card number - always use paypal.
Vonage has already an approval from app store for iphone app which is in beta version and would be available very soon to public. I am not sure what features it will have, we need to wait for release.
Vonage Obtains Application Approval for iTunes App Store (http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-01-2009/0005086657&EDATE=)
I personally use ActionVOIP (another Betamax company). No real big complaints so far - except for the weird feeling something that they are occasionally stealing minutes from me. It's still cheaper than trio of Teliance/Trueroots/Airtel (as evidenced by my consistently lower spending per month). Even after getting vonage - I intend to keep my account in ActionVOIP with a small amount in it just for emergencies or when away from home.
However, in case you are planning to use any of these Betamax outfits - please keep in mind that Betamax is borderline shady. There are complaints galore about them misusing credit cards and using shady fly-by-night companies to evade responsibilities. So never ever give them your credit card number - always use paypal.
Vonage has already an approval from app store for iphone app which is in beta version and would be available very soon to public. I am not sure what features it will have, we need to wait for release.
Vonage Obtains Application Approval for iTunes App Store (http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-01-2009/0005086657&EDATE=)