dhesha
08-02 03:58 PM
Just opened a SR this morning. Will now go down through my list:
1. Will file Ombusman
2. Will contact Congressman
3. Will go for Infopass
Masterji, can you please give the phone number and some advise for how to open SR?
1. Will file Ombusman
2. Will contact Congressman
3. Will go for Infopass
Masterji, can you please give the phone number and some advise for how to open SR?
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senthilask
09-01 10:07 PM
Alright guys, I cannot tell you how excited I am to report that i got a call this morning from my attorney and my online case status also states that Card Production was ordered for my case!!!
After 8 long years.....i finally have been approved for permanent residency. After 7 years, i will finally, with peace of mind, go back to India to visit my family. Thanks to IV, everyone's help on these forums for helping me keep my sanity over the past 2 years....
After 15 years in the US, I will finally have my green card in hand soon.
-Nola.
That's really a long wait and Congratulations
After 8 long years.....i finally have been approved for permanent residency. After 7 years, i will finally, with peace of mind, go back to India to visit my family. Thanks to IV, everyone's help on these forums for helping me keep my sanity over the past 2 years....
After 15 years in the US, I will finally have my green card in hand soon.
-Nola.
That's really a long wait and Congratulations
sparky_jones
04-22 12:56 PM
The Lockbox process is for intake and receipt of paper-filed applications. Since the intake and receipt of e-Filed applications is electronic, the lockbox is out of the picture. Supporting documentation should be sent to the Service Center address on the confirmation page.
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slammer
04-03 11:45 AM
Slammer, if you got visa number last year you should have gotten an interview months back, UNLESS your consulate appoinment schedule is backlogged.
Good luck
We called the NVC 2 days ago about the status of our application and the guy on the phone (who was, BTW, very polite and patient) told me that everything was processed and as soon as our PD was current we would get an interview appointment very soon.
We also sent an email-inquiry to the NVC last week and just today we got the reply :
"Unfortunately, this case no longer has a visa number available. This is
because the applicant' visa category is oversubscribed, meaning that
the available numerical limit of visas able to be issued was reached.
Upon reaching the numerical limit of visas able to be issued, only
beneficiaries who have a priority date earlier than listed in the current
Visa Bulletin may be allotted a visa number in this visa category. "
So, that must mean that they had a visa number for us back in August 2007 when they sent us the DS230-I and the bills for the visa fees although according to the VB for August/September 2007 EB3 ROW was "U" ?
Hmm, I have to admit that I have kind of given up on understanding how this all works. I'm just looking forward to that day when we finally receive our GC and are able to move to the States.
Good luck to all of you and even more patience !
Good luck
We called the NVC 2 days ago about the status of our application and the guy on the phone (who was, BTW, very polite and patient) told me that everything was processed and as soon as our PD was current we would get an interview appointment very soon.
We also sent an email-inquiry to the NVC last week and just today we got the reply :
"Unfortunately, this case no longer has a visa number available. This is
because the applicant' visa category is oversubscribed, meaning that
the available numerical limit of visas able to be issued was reached.
Upon reaching the numerical limit of visas able to be issued, only
beneficiaries who have a priority date earlier than listed in the current
Visa Bulletin may be allotted a visa number in this visa category. "
So, that must mean that they had a visa number for us back in August 2007 when they sent us the DS230-I and the bills for the visa fees although according to the VB for August/September 2007 EB3 ROW was "U" ?
Hmm, I have to admit that I have kind of given up on understanding how this all works. I'm just looking forward to that day when we finally receive our GC and are able to move to the States.
Good luck to all of you and even more patience !
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studentoflife
10-09 08:44 AM
They received my documents on Sept23rd and i am still waiting for my passport. How do i know the status ? they don't pick up calls. The automated message says that if you wish to check the status please call between 2-. Has someone tried it ? do they pick calls ?
tammman
05-19 10:15 AM
I just called all the offices mentioned.
Almost all of them seemed to know what I'm talking about and I left voice msgs for couple of the offices and some of them took the msg and mentioned will pass them on...
Thanks to IV & all the members doing this !!
Almost all of them seemed to know what I'm talking about and I left voice msgs for couple of the offices and some of them took the msg and mentioned will pass them on...
Thanks to IV & all the members doing this !!
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chanduv23
04-08 10:19 AM
Well that would be an option make H1b portable.
But then most consulting companies will not hire H1B's because it won't be cost effective.
Anyway just by checking most of this consulting firms businesses they will be able to uncover all the fraud.
It's very unethical to make you lie on your resume and then try to market you to an employer with fake experience, also nobody has responded to my comment. Real Companies like PWC, IBM pay you while you're on bench, while
this indian consulting companies break the law by not doing that.
I have seen tons of American citizen resumes with Fake experience. When we conducted background check, we found that a lot of companies they listed on thier resumes could not be found as their employer and a lot of people also fake on education saying they are from Harward etc..... This has become very common now locally. A lot of American people get JOBS ONLY through recomendations of friends or relatives and by word of mouth. They do not go through a stringent interview process. They will do everything possible to keep their jobs and get jobs in an easy manner. The companies that hire people on h1b as employees or contractors actually look for "real" skilled workers so that they have a strong skill based workers.
Body shops want you to fake ur resume only when
(1) You want to get your wife a h1b placement through a body shop, who actually has no experience but you approach the body shop for filing ur spouse h1b
(2) You do Master's and want to get a placement through a body shop.
(3) Your skills are not marketable by body shopping requirements.
Body shops care for themselves. The kind of consulting jobs they deal with are jobs that require wierd skills and most times and thats why they get those requirements.
You can survive without faking resume if
(1) Keep trying hard for direct jobs and meet minimum standards
(2) Be competitive, try to crack the googles and microsofts multi layer interviews, go back to basics and learn and work hard
(3) If you are subject to cap - work around it. Look for options.
(4) Increase your skill base. Do projects at home on your laptop. Go to open source or google user groups and gain more knowledge.
Make a body shopper dependent on your skills. Get selected for a contract job without faking resume and then carry your body shopper to sign the corp to corp contract. You can keep your skill and update as well as do body shopping without faking resume.
So if you blame body shopping companies for the mess, it will directly feed into anti immigrants as they want reasons to get back into their lazy easy job lifestyle and get rid of the competitive H1bs.
But then most consulting companies will not hire H1B's because it won't be cost effective.
Anyway just by checking most of this consulting firms businesses they will be able to uncover all the fraud.
It's very unethical to make you lie on your resume and then try to market you to an employer with fake experience, also nobody has responded to my comment. Real Companies like PWC, IBM pay you while you're on bench, while
this indian consulting companies break the law by not doing that.
I have seen tons of American citizen resumes with Fake experience. When we conducted background check, we found that a lot of companies they listed on thier resumes could not be found as their employer and a lot of people also fake on education saying they are from Harward etc..... This has become very common now locally. A lot of American people get JOBS ONLY through recomendations of friends or relatives and by word of mouth. They do not go through a stringent interview process. They will do everything possible to keep their jobs and get jobs in an easy manner. The companies that hire people on h1b as employees or contractors actually look for "real" skilled workers so that they have a strong skill based workers.
Body shops want you to fake ur resume only when
(1) You want to get your wife a h1b placement through a body shop, who actually has no experience but you approach the body shop for filing ur spouse h1b
(2) You do Master's and want to get a placement through a body shop.
(3) Your skills are not marketable by body shopping requirements.
Body shops care for themselves. The kind of consulting jobs they deal with are jobs that require wierd skills and most times and thats why they get those requirements.
You can survive without faking resume if
(1) Keep trying hard for direct jobs and meet minimum standards
(2) Be competitive, try to crack the googles and microsofts multi layer interviews, go back to basics and learn and work hard
(3) If you are subject to cap - work around it. Look for options.
(4) Increase your skill base. Do projects at home on your laptop. Go to open source or google user groups and gain more knowledge.
Make a body shopper dependent on your skills. Get selected for a contract job without faking resume and then carry your body shopper to sign the corp to corp contract. You can keep your skill and update as well as do body shopping without faking resume.
So if you blame body shopping companies for the mess, it will directly feed into anti immigrants as they want reasons to get back into their lazy easy job lifestyle and get rid of the competitive H1bs.
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alterego
09-01 02:29 PM
Look my friend, there is no logic like RD vs PD. If there were I would have had my green card before most here even filed their 485s. My 485 is pending for over 4 yrs now.
I have had people with PDs after me, RDs after me, all sorts approved and I am waiting.
This is a game of luck and chance.
The USCIS process is chaotic and disorganised in the way they do things. If you are lucky you get your approval earlier, if you are not, your application languishes in some salt mine in Utah or wherever else NSC stores their pending applications.
I have had people with PDs after me, RDs after me, all sorts approved and I am waiting.
This is a game of luck and chance.
The USCIS process is chaotic and disorganised in the way they do things. If you are lucky you get your approval earlier, if you are not, your application languishes in some salt mine in Utah or wherever else NSC stores their pending applications.
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santb1975
04-16 02:26 PM
I will start posting soon as well
Has anyone checked out our Blog yet?
http://teamiv-year2008.blogspot.com/
You will need to register with the site for a user id and password.
As much as possible I will also post a Tip of the Day on my blog postings (which will have links to recommended training sites)
-Nola
Has anyone checked out our Blog yet?
http://teamiv-year2008.blogspot.com/
You will need to register with the site for a user id and password.
As much as possible I will also post a Tip of the Day on my blog postings (which will have links to recommended training sites)
-Nola
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Saralayar
04-09 01:45 PM
I totally second that. Saralayar has raised a very valid issue and its up to IV and core memebers to take it or not. Getting GC should not be the end of the story, we ought to think beyond that. had this GC process been consistant and FIFO, there would not have been any problem with the fact "citizenship after 5 years of GC". Now this GC thing is so screwed up, we might want to include citizen ship issue as well but definitely, at the very lowest priority.
I am happy that many of our high skilled community has understood my idea and supporting this thread. Yes definitely Core IV needs to look into this. You can also include your valid points so that core IV team can consolidate and research on this.
I am happy that many of our high skilled community has understood my idea and supporting this thread. Yes definitely Core IV needs to look into this. You can also include your valid points so that core IV team can consolidate and research on this.
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waitingGC
02-02 12:13 PM
I think Kerry(i think it is actually Kennedy E who introduced it - SA180 , SA 187 did not have anyhting to do with us it was for Women centers) di dnot have any good intentions for us in troducing this.If you see on Thomas(or congress.gov and search for HR2, see the fourth version, and check out amendments), SA180 was amendment to SA143 (this is by our friend Jeff Sessions). So most probably it was part of politics. Also this status says both these amendments wer eintroduced in Senate but thats it, they did not pass.
Yes, I agree that it was probably part of politics. This is really sad. The situation becomes very frustrating for us.
Yes, I agree that it was probably part of politics. This is really sad. The situation becomes very frustrating for us.
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WeldonSprings
06-04 02:27 PM
Due to the delays in obtaining EAD from Nebraska Service Center; I am planning to do the following things-
1. On the 78th. day (since currently NSC is taking 11 weeks= 77 days, to process EAD cards) call USCIS customer support 1-800 number and tell them that my case is outside the processing timeframe.
However, if I do this, my case gets locked up. That is any call the customer service representative takes and opens a service request; another service request cannot be opened earlier than 30 days.
2. Even still if my application is not approved, then I plan to walk into the USCIS office on the 91st day and request an interim card.
My question is since, I opened a Service Request on the 78th. day, can the local office representative open another service request to request an interim card on the 91st. day, since 30 days did not pass from opening my service request.
Gurus, please comment.
E-Filed on 04/15 . Wifes EAD Card received on 06/01. Mine still says initial review so Initiated a service request but looks like it would not have much impact as case is still under normal processing times.
Getting concerned now since my current EAD expires on 90th day.
1. On the 78th. day (since currently NSC is taking 11 weeks= 77 days, to process EAD cards) call USCIS customer support 1-800 number and tell them that my case is outside the processing timeframe.
However, if I do this, my case gets locked up. That is any call the customer service representative takes and opens a service request; another service request cannot be opened earlier than 30 days.
2. Even still if my application is not approved, then I plan to walk into the USCIS office on the 91st day and request an interim card.
My question is since, I opened a Service Request on the 78th. day, can the local office representative open another service request to request an interim card on the 91st. day, since 30 days did not pass from opening my service request.
Gurus, please comment.
E-Filed on 04/15 . Wifes EAD Card received on 06/01. Mine still says initial review so Initiated a service request but looks like it would not have much impact as case is still under normal processing times.
Getting concerned now since my current EAD expires on 90th day.
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Libra
09-20 02:43 PM
Logiclife, i can't imagine you refused to take a rose from such a beautiful girl :confused:
LogicLife is too proud.. he didn't take the rose I offered him during the rally. I don't want to have anything to do with him now!!
LogicLife is too proud.. he didn't take the rose I offered him during the rally. I don't want to have anything to do with him now!!
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suriajay12
03-22 09:33 AM
First, I am not promising to solve anything. I am just saying that I will bring up the issues when I have my meeting. If this thread is a distraction, then feel free to ignore it.
Second, those who have participated in this forum over the past year know about the issues I was working on.
Third, the forum moderators have my contact information and I have corresponded directly with them (Aman Kapoor). If you don't believe I am who I say I am, feel free to contact the mods.
I am not sure what the point is about "innocent Indians." Does it really matter if I am Canadian? Is this forum restricted to South Asians?
Totoro,
Thanks for responding., we appreciate it.
Good that you took it in the right spirit. All the efforts you are trying for us are inline with what even I wanted to do, but dont have as much access as you do. Search the forums with my id and you will see for yourself. To my knowledge there are very few who can do what you are doing. I wish Moderators and IV Core endorse your efforts in the form of a campaign and you will see much more participation. Look at the other drive they are doing for create a fund of $10000.00 If they endorse you (thats we) will get response in that order. Can you please ask Aman to do that, and that way we will have more voice.
All,
I am not sure if most of you guys even remember what my group said. We WILL contribute even $3500 and more, if there is a campaign for EB2 and EB3 and for guys waiting 5-10 years . Not sure why most of you, even senior guys(by join date, and not by # of posts) just rememer the $3500 part all the time with my name :) but miss what we said. Go n read it again.And if Core endorses does effort, I will not be surprised if there will be contribution from as much as 5000 members each of $100 on avg= $500,000. No kidding, thats the pain EB3 is facing.. Anyone to disagree??.
Gangutelli,
Gantuteli is real or fake.. similarly. Did you put all your details EXACTLY.. You know the answer.. Be little practical and have some profile that is like yours atleast.
Where were you before Jan 09..Didnt hear about IV before??.Flower campaign that hit the news.. You appear to be very emotional, with very less maturity.. Nothing personal, anyone here sees it.. check them yourself with a mature friend.I know you will post 1000 posts in the next 1 month. Tell me the secret how you get that much time(I am begging for few extra hrs in last 1 month), but only in case you have a job. Else we know.
And I said I will contribute $50 to FOIA campaign last week but did not send it yet. I will do it today. This is not in response to you Q reg contribution.. If you noticed, no one responds to your posts.
Did you create any new thread with some ideas, good or bad... Please respond to this last line, for sure..and if so, can you give me that link..
Second, those who have participated in this forum over the past year know about the issues I was working on.
Third, the forum moderators have my contact information and I have corresponded directly with them (Aman Kapoor). If you don't believe I am who I say I am, feel free to contact the mods.
I am not sure what the point is about "innocent Indians." Does it really matter if I am Canadian? Is this forum restricted to South Asians?
Totoro,
Thanks for responding., we appreciate it.
Good that you took it in the right spirit. All the efforts you are trying for us are inline with what even I wanted to do, but dont have as much access as you do. Search the forums with my id and you will see for yourself. To my knowledge there are very few who can do what you are doing. I wish Moderators and IV Core endorse your efforts in the form of a campaign and you will see much more participation. Look at the other drive they are doing for create a fund of $10000.00 If they endorse you (thats we) will get response in that order. Can you please ask Aman to do that, and that way we will have more voice.
All,
I am not sure if most of you guys even remember what my group said. We WILL contribute even $3500 and more, if there is a campaign for EB2 and EB3 and for guys waiting 5-10 years . Not sure why most of you, even senior guys(by join date, and not by # of posts) just rememer the $3500 part all the time with my name :) but miss what we said. Go n read it again.And if Core endorses does effort, I will not be surprised if there will be contribution from as much as 5000 members each of $100 on avg= $500,000. No kidding, thats the pain EB3 is facing.. Anyone to disagree??.
Gangutelli,
Gantuteli is real or fake.. similarly. Did you put all your details EXACTLY.. You know the answer.. Be little practical and have some profile that is like yours atleast.
Where were you before Jan 09..Didnt hear about IV before??.Flower campaign that hit the news.. You appear to be very emotional, with very less maturity.. Nothing personal, anyone here sees it.. check them yourself with a mature friend.I know you will post 1000 posts in the next 1 month. Tell me the secret how you get that much time(I am begging for few extra hrs in last 1 month), but only in case you have a job. Else we know.
And I said I will contribute $50 to FOIA campaign last week but did not send it yet. I will do it today. This is not in response to you Q reg contribution.. If you noticed, no one responds to your posts.
Did you create any new thread with some ideas, good or bad... Please respond to this last line, for sure..and if so, can you give me that link..
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niklshah
01-24 10:24 AM
I believe Indians want to enjoy life too much after coming to US, the only way to succeed is to work hard and with sincerity . Based on the observation i see very few Indians fully committing themselves to work. not sure why :confused:
where do you make your observations man????????? your observation are totally incorrect. I have seen so many indians who are putting so many extra hours without any extra pay.. we dont follow clock buddy.....go and look some other places where indian works...
where do you make your observations man????????? your observation are totally incorrect. I have seen so many indians who are putting so many extra hours without any extra pay.. we dont follow clock buddy.....go and look some other places where indian works...
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lutherpraveen
01-18 03:31 PM
I would change my contribution to $50 monthly if we have 1000+ members to sign up for the monthly contribution. Meanwhile, I would cancel my contribution if this goal cannot be achieved by all our 8400 members within the next two months. I cannot see any point if most people who suffer from the possibility of waiting for years would not contribute while I, who might be one of the least painful ones, contribute.
No offense, but, I would continue or increase my contribution, not because someone else is doing so or not doing so, or not if I would I get a tax break or not, but just because of my sheer appreciation of the IV core group's amazing efforts.
I have not (in the recent past) seen such a group of dedicated, decent and diginified people working together in a selfless manner to achieve something not only for their own good but for the good of hundreds and thousands of their fellow "sometimes not so polite, not so patient" sufferers.
I see my contribution to IV something similar to a contribution to a church or a temple. You give, not so that you'll benefit out of it, but because at the end of the day it is money well spent for a good cause.
If you benefit out of the efforts possible by your contribution, that's a nice bonus.
I don't look at my contribution as "I pay $20 I should get $100 in return".
For me, it is not an investment, but a good expenditure for worthy cause.
No offense, but, I would continue or increase my contribution, not because someone else is doing so or not doing so, or not if I would I get a tax break or not, but just because of my sheer appreciation of the IV core group's amazing efforts.
I have not (in the recent past) seen such a group of dedicated, decent and diginified people working together in a selfless manner to achieve something not only for their own good but for the good of hundreds and thousands of their fellow "sometimes not so polite, not so patient" sufferers.
I see my contribution to IV something similar to a contribution to a church or a temple. You give, not so that you'll benefit out of it, but because at the end of the day it is money well spent for a good cause.
If you benefit out of the efforts possible by your contribution, that's a nice bonus.
I don't look at my contribution as "I pay $20 I should get $100 in return".
For me, it is not an investment, but a good expenditure for worthy cause.
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gconmymind
10-10 12:51 PM
My wife will be in US in December on H4 visa. She has an approved H1B 797 notice starting 1st October 2007. When she applies for H4 to H1, is that under the quota? My understanding is that her H1 approval has already been counted against the quota and the COS will not be subject to yearly cap.
Appreciate your replies.
Appreciate your replies.
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senthilvs
10-06 09:16 PM
I sent it on Thursday Sep 11th before hurrican IKE to CGI Houston. Money order was cashed on Sep 23rd. Sent $60 including the express mail for returning the new passport. I haven't received yet. Calling them doesn't help a lot. Does anybody think going in person will help? Do I need to get an appointment to enquire about the passport application? Thanks in advance for your help.
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nashim
09-01 06:23 PM
My coworker got approval today (09/01/09) from NSC
Here is the detail:
PD: Nov 2004
RD: Aug 2007
ND: Sep 2007
RFE: Jun 2009 for EVL. He changed employer on EAD but I did not file AC21.
Here is the detail:
PD: Nov 2004
RD: Aug 2007
ND: Sep 2007
RFE: Jun 2009 for EVL. He changed employer on EAD but I did not file AC21.
sparky_jones
06-02 06:20 AM
EAd efiles to TSC on 4/26
CPO on 5/14
Card received on 06/01 for 2 yrs with the expiry date starting from the end of the current card.
Thanks,
indian111
E-filed at TSC on 5/3.
CPO on 5/14
Approval Document email on 5/27
Card Received on 6/01
Two years validity with effective date beginning from the expiration date of current EAD.
Card is the new machine-readable format.
Card envelope has also changed. New envelope is larger in size, doesn't say USCIS anywhere on the outside, only the Mesquite, TX return address.
CPO on 5/14
Card received on 06/01 for 2 yrs with the expiry date starting from the end of the current card.
Thanks,
indian111
E-filed at TSC on 5/3.
CPO on 5/14
Approval Document email on 5/27
Card Received on 6/01
Two years validity with effective date beginning from the expiration date of current EAD.
Card is the new machine-readable format.
Card envelope has also changed. New envelope is larger in size, doesn't say USCIS anywhere on the outside, only the Mesquite, TX return address.
santb1975
05-17 03:00 PM
Thankyou
Hi folks, just as predicted, my email thread to select contacts resulted in one outright racist response. i dont want this group to get distracted or distressed if you too get such responses. take a look at the original note below and my response. remain brave. remain strong. this is a LEGAL immigration process in the US economic interest too.
hopefully people will begin to realize that anti-legal-immigration is just a facade for deep rooted racism.
Best.
A SELF AVOWED RACIST RESPONSE from A PERSONAL CONTACT
I have to let you know that not only will I not support this bill, but I am vehemently against the legal immigration of workers that are originally brought here to usurp positions that would have otherwise been held by skilled Americans. I agree that this is a racist and exclusionary position, but I also know many people who can no longer get work at the level they deserve due to the displacement they have experienced as a result of this foreign worker influx.
Please remove me from any future posts regarding this or related issues.
MY RESPONSE
i know how the native americans must have felt when the pilgrims landed... oh that darned foreign influx.
i will not dignify your self avowed racism with the erudition of economics, capitalism, innovation, globalization, human rights or the rich history of the united states as a melting pot of cultures ... all of which are underpinning factors that are in the long term US economic interests in high skilled LEGAL immigration. of course, these tend to be conveniently ignored on the altar of superficial sentiment, myopic protectionism and deep-rooted xenophobia.
it would be best that we not be on each others' personal contacts or have any future interaction at all.
Hi folks, just as predicted, my email thread to select contacts resulted in one outright racist response. i dont want this group to get distracted or distressed if you too get such responses. take a look at the original note below and my response. remain brave. remain strong. this is a LEGAL immigration process in the US economic interest too.
hopefully people will begin to realize that anti-legal-immigration is just a facade for deep rooted racism.
Best.
A SELF AVOWED RACIST RESPONSE from A PERSONAL CONTACT
I have to let you know that not only will I not support this bill, but I am vehemently against the legal immigration of workers that are originally brought here to usurp positions that would have otherwise been held by skilled Americans. I agree that this is a racist and exclusionary position, but I also know many people who can no longer get work at the level they deserve due to the displacement they have experienced as a result of this foreign worker influx.
Please remove me from any future posts regarding this or related issues.
MY RESPONSE
i know how the native americans must have felt when the pilgrims landed... oh that darned foreign influx.
i will not dignify your self avowed racism with the erudition of economics, capitalism, innovation, globalization, human rights or the rich history of the united states as a melting pot of cultures ... all of which are underpinning factors that are in the long term US economic interests in high skilled LEGAL immigration. of course, these tend to be conveniently ignored on the altar of superficial sentiment, myopic protectionism and deep-rooted xenophobia.
it would be best that we not be on each others' personal contacts or have any future interaction at all.